[Music]you[Music]invite you all on the fourth firstthematic track of the world sustainabledevelopment summit the thematic track onbuilding focuses on sustainablebuildings in India energy efficiencyresource efficiency green cooling andgreen design India will need to build700 to 800 million square meters of realestate per year for the next two decadescurrently the building sector in Indiaaccounts for 29 percent of the totalelectricity consumption and around 437million tons of co2 emissions thecommercial sector is growing with 8percent and the residential sector with5 percent every year the housing for allscheme of the Government of Indiaschedules to build 20 million houses by2022 the global stock of room airconditioners is scheduled to grow fromabout 1.2 billion units today to 4.5billion units by 2050 of which around 1billion in India the session aims atproviding a concise overview of the mainchallenges for ensuring sustainablebuildings that are resources and energyefficient thereby resulting in reductionof energy use pollution waste andgreenhouse gas emission with the givenbackground I would like to invite mr.Sanjay sait senior director and seniorfellow of the sustainable habitatprogram at Teddy on the podium mr. saitis also the chief executive officer ofgrisha Council which administers thegreen rating for integrated habitatassessment prior to joining Teddy heworked with the Bureau of energyefficiency Ministry of Power Governmentof India and headed the vertical onbuilding energy efficiency he was alsothe interim secretary of the Bureau ofenergy efficiency and responsible foradministration and financial managementof the organization in this capacity heprovided oversight to the implementationof policies and programs of B EE as wellas in ashedmission on enhanced energy efficiency Iwould also like to invite mr. Edwinquick quick counselor on energy andclimate action delegation of the RopeEuropean Union to India mr. Edwinstudied environmental sciences at theveining University and research in theNetherlands he worked for seven years inthe Netherlands Ministry of Environmentin the first five year as part of theDutch delegation to the UN climatechange negotiations the UN AviationOrganization and the UN maritimeorganization in the last two years assenior policy adviser in the area of airquality he then worked for almost fiveyears for the Environment Committee ofthe European Union Parliament inter aliain the area of climate change andrenewable energy over to you sir thankyou Disha am I allowed to speak fromhere okay thank you ladies and gentlemenit's a privilege to have you here inthis room together with our partners theEuropean Union this is the first sessionafter the plenary that we are engaged innothing better than sustainablebuildings in India energy efficiencyresource efficiency green cooling greendesign I mean it cannot be moreemphasized than what we have as a topicfor discussion it's a privilege to bewith many of you in this room who havehad the privilege of working andinitiating many programs even in myearlier capacity in the Bureau of energyefficiency and I continue to be workingwith many of you even in my present roleat Terry I have been given the oneroustask of of course giving the openingremarks and thereafter Edwin of coursewould be setting the tone for thediscussions this this morning but Iwould like to you know I don't want tokind of make it sound as if I'm givingan inaugural or you know we be settingthe track for the discussion about whatI would want to do is leave a fewnumbers I have I've done a lot ofcrunching I have got a piece of paperwith all of these numbers before me andI would like to share them with you allso that probably when we are discussingthroughout the session we would havethese numbers playing somewhere behindin our minds so that we could see whatwe can really you know that keytakeaways could be centered around it soI'll just start reading now more thanhalf of the world's population currentlylives in urban areas which will increaseto about 68 percent by 2050 in the next32 years another 2.5 billion people areexpected to live out of urban areas 90percent of these will be ish in Asia andAfrica alone and India would beresponsible for 1/5 of these numbersit's to be precise in terms of numbers400 million urban developers by 2050 inIndia the share of contribution of urbanareas to the national national GDP isbound to increase to about 63 percent in2009-10 to about 75 percent in 2030 thenithya yoga estimates that per-capitaresidential space in India will increasefrom 1.8 meters squaredin 2012 to 35 meters squared in 2047 andthe per capita commercial building spacefrom 0.7 meters to 5.9 meters over thesame duration the building electricitydemand projections as a consequent tothis suggests a five-year fivefoldincrease in electricity demand in theresidential sector and a three-foldincrease in electricity demand in thecommercial sector till 2040 seven overthe baseline of 2011 this will amount toa total projected electricity demand of26/11 terawatt-hours by 2040 seven alonefrom the building sector demand forelectricity in the commercial buildingsector is primarily linked with thecooling demand from the sector theexpected cooling demand from the sectorin the next decade it is estimated tomore than double itself by over the 200017 baseline and hence the expectedincrease for the overall electricitydemand for the commercial sector isanticipated globally the building sectoraccounts for 40 percent this issomething which we all know 40percentage 40 percent of energy usage 25percent of water and 40 percent of theglobal resources and contributes toabout 20% of the GHG emissions in thelast decade we have been able to setstandards for construction architectureand planning which ambitiously setsgoals for reducing the energy demands ofbuildings like the ECB C 2017 and I'mvery glad that I have my colleagues sortof DD from the Bureau of energyefficiency who administers this programin be consequent to I left and whichaims at providing 20 to 40% moreefficient buildings than conventionaleven though India's green buildingmarket is estimated to double by 2022driven by increasing awareness levelsenvironmental benefits and governmentsupport the perception that green costsmore and does not have an economicallyattractive payback is the biggest stigmathat is attached to it and I think thatthat's one of the key things that weneed to really work around studiesplaced that encase existing and plannedpolicies are implemented the share ofbuildings in total energy consumptioncould come down to about - about 23percent by 2040 as against the presentconsumption of about 40 percent so in myopinion I think the panelists who aregoing to come in after this shortintroduction by me and Edwin would be todiscuss their views on current energyefficiency regulation and programs andhow do we bridge the gap on compliancewith established building norms now I amsaying it very easily now since I haveleft that and I am on switched on to theother side so sort of I would wantanswers from you and the other panelistsof course one must understand that thesimplest simple equilibrium of demandand supply will always dictate marketdynamics and unless and until the userdemands to grow green the markets willnot deliver green and that's why I saythatat the center of this entire you knowinitiative that we are doing unless anduntil we ourselves demand for greenwe'll never none of these developers aregoing to give us green I also am wouldlike to delve upon two of them some ofyou know two of the important programswhich I am currently leading in and thatis the sustainable housing leadershipconsortium with the IFC and EU intendsto drive sustainability India in India'shousing sector the aim is to make 20% ofIndia's new housing constructionsustainable by 2022 IFC has engagedTerry for technology lever for greenhousing scale-up in India the projectthat intends to identify and prioritizebuilding technologies do it to achieveat least 20% reduction in theincremental cost of growing green and Iam very glad that the IFC have you knowthat the leadership is provided byshruti narayan who is here today as apanelist from IFC the other projectwhich I would really like to share withyou all is the main streaming showssustainable social housing in Indiamashup which is a research initiative bythe low-carbon building group at theOxford Brookes University DairyDevelopment alternatives and un-habitatand is financially supported by thesustainable buildings and constructionprogram of the ten five-year program ofsustainable consumption and productionthe ten by F P the project aims toidentify what the impacts and benefitsof housing production at scale such thatof the housing power all by 22 by 2022mission could be for an environment oureconomy and our communities and toprovide a method for identifying themost optimal building materials andtechnologies so this is very veryimportant especially given the data poorin you know the data poor environmentthat we work in I think this project isyou know we've just finished the projectand we've submitted the reports we havecome up with some very fantastic toolswhich we would want you all to you knowprobably during the course of ourdiscussions in the W SDS we will haveopportunities to share what wedone and what we have developed there sowith these words I welcome you all tothis session and I am privileged to behosting this along with my colleaguefrom EU mr. Edwin and as the shy hadcalled her called him it's cuckoo okayam i right thank you very much yesdistinguished distinguished colleaguesit's a great pleasure indeed to welcomeyou a district on sustainable buildingsin in India it's organized by a Terryand the European Union and for me it wasthe first time since I'm here I arrivedin September to work together with Terryand I really enjoyed the cooperation andI would like to say a few words under onthe European Union and also on ourcooperation with India so as you knowthe EU consists of 28 member states andit's one big single markets with commontargets and common legislation in thearea of inter alia climate changerenewables energy efficiency andrecently also electric electricitymarket design but also legislation oneco design and also on circular economycomparable to India of 29 states theu.s. 28 member states with big ones likeGermany France still the UK Italy SpainPoland and also slightly smaller onesbut often also big economies like mycountry the Netherlands Belgium DenmarkSweden Finland the Czech Republic andthe three Baltic states the EU has 24languages so also there is a bigdiversity like here in India the mottois United in diversity I think for Indiaits unit unity in diversity we have 50crore people we are a big democracy andwe will have like you elections for theEuropean Parliament in May in the areaof clean energy and climate action Indiais a key partner for the for theEuropean Union at the EU India summit in2016Prime MinisterMoody agreed with the European leaderson a clean energy and climatepartnership this partnership was thenreconfirmed in 2017 and recently also inthe EU strategy on India we try to workon very concrete often technicalinitiatives on the ground into 8 into aLea in relation to offshore winds tosolar parks rooftop we have a rooftopsolar program we work together on theimplementation of energy efficiency inbuildings we work together on smartgrids on green housing on urbanizationon your tables you'll find a brochureexplaining all the different things weare doing together with with India inthe area of sustainable development it'simportant to also mention ourcooperation in the area of research andinnovation through our research andinnovation programme horizont when t20and and we have strongly invited Indiato participate in this program and towork together with the EU stakeholdersin those areas which are of mutualinterest and on energy in particularafter the launch of the missioninnovation initiative at the climateconference in Paris in 2015 we alsoworked together in both India and in theEuropean Union are strongly involved sotoday's track is organized under a newlarge project for the common three yearswhich is currently still in theinception phase it's the so calledindia-eu clean energy and climatepartnership and this this program willfocus on renewable energy energyefficiency the required infrastructuresor on the grid and storage on climateaction and on climate financing againthe Objectivist is to even strengthenmore our cooperation with India and thismeans between the European institutionsin India but also between the EuropeanMember States and Indiain the area of clean energy and climateaction so our implementing partner isPrice Waterhouse Cooper India and I'mvery happy that mr. Rajeev Kalyan willgive a short presentation setting thescene so he will be the one settingsaddressing the different issues that wewant to address today so energyefficiency cooling resource efficiencyand the design of buildings on yourtables you should also find a one-pagedescribing the project so the CCP and inthis product buildings will be animportant area with important challengesin the area of energy efficiency coolingand resource efficiency so in thissession we try to look in a holistic wayat the challenges related to thebuilding sector also with the importantconcept of the circular economy in mindlooking at the whole lifecycle ofbuildings its design its maintenance andthe end-of-life of the materials andapplications used so please allow me tocongratulate Terry with this veryimportant summit's addressingsustainable issues that really matter inIndia but also matter for the rest ofthe rest of the worlds I would like towarmly thank Terry Price WaterhouseCooper the moderator and the panelistsand you the public for being here as youwill hopefully see the idea of thesession is to have a very interactivesession with concrete messages andconcrete conclusions that can fit ininto our EU India cooperation but alsoin the work of the b.eof Terry of the NRDC of the a EEEthe IFC the National Housing bank andthe AFD so thank you very much and Iwish all of you a very fruitful sessionthank you[Applause]over to you dish'thank you very much thank you mr. Seatonmr. Edwin I now request mr. Sanjay sayto please hand over the moment ofappreciation to mr. Edwinwe will now start with the paneldiscussion I request mr. Nicholas Fehnanch country director India RegionalDirector of India and BangladeshAFD to please come over the podium mr.Nicholas furnish holds an MSC in civilwork and water engineering and is asenior chief engineer of the Frenchadministration his area of expertise areon renewable energy and hydropower urbanwater and sanitation climate change inenvironmental and social due diligencehe is a member of the Internationalhydropower Association after severalcontracts in African countries for theFrench Ministry of Foreign Affairs hewas recruited by AFD in 1999 and hasworked since in France in Africa and inAsia he was appointed in August 2015 asadditional director for Frenchdevelopment agency in South Asia he'sbased in New Delhi and covers AF DSintervention in India and Bangladeshthank you for accepting our invitationand si moderator for the session sir Inow invite mr. Rajeev Rohan directorwith price water Cooper in clean energyspace Rajiv has more than 18 years ofexperience in energy efficiency domainhe has been part of many prestigiousprograms in the field of appliancestandard building codes buildinglabeling program cooling initiatives andfuel efficiency programs Rajiv has beenadvising on these initiatives in Indiaas well as in Asia Africa and MiddleEast region Rajiv is working as nationalcoordinator under B EE EU program forenergy efficiency in buildings Rajeev issupporting four states namelyMaharashtra Madhya Pradesh Orissa andBihar for adoption of ECBC mr. RajeevRehan pleaseI now request mr. sort of DD directorBureau of energy efficiency to pleasecome over the podium mr. DD has morethan 15 years of professional experiencecombining intellectual and managerialexperience in the field of energyefficiency climate change green growthand global carbon market as director inBureau of energy efficiency India hisprimarily responsibilities are toprovide strategic technical andoperational guidance for the bureau'sknowledge and policy programs in theenergy sector formulated and managednational mission for enhanced energyefficiency under national action planfor climate changeIndia the nm tripoli program targeted tounleash investment worth 12 billion u.s.dollars in energy efficiency in India Inow invite mr. Jake Smith managingdirector of NRDC z-- internationalprogram mr. Jay is leading a team ofexperts and partners working on climatechangeclean energy bio gems and sustainabledevelopment in India Latin AmericaCanada and at the international level heworks closely with the organization'sChina team on climate issues and helpcoordinate NRDC 's international effortto tackle the challenges of health oceanand wildlife I now request dr. SatishKumar to please come over the podium heis the president and executive directorof the Alliance for an energy-efficienteconomy in his current role he has led aTripoli's transformation into a leadingenergy efficiency policy think-tank andbusiness enabling entity through acombination of thought and programmaticleadership collaboration and partnershipwith Indian and global public privateand peer organizations and fundraisinghe has served as a senior energyefficiency adviser or technical expertin energy efficiency to the Ministry ofEnvironment forests and climate changeneatly I oak energy efficiency ServicesLimited bureau of energy efficiencyBureau of Indian Standard and Departmentof Science and Technology confederationof energy efficiency mr. Cornelius reenmr. Dean is a German lawyer and workswith the European Commissionsince 2000 from 2007 on ozone depletionsubstances and fluorinated greenhousegases he participates in the meeting ofthe Montreal Protocol and was involvedin the drafting and negotiation of theEU regulation on fluorinated greenhousegases since 2008 any coordinates withinthe Directorate General for climateaction the relationship with IndiaProfessor Ashok Bella principalarchitect at the Ashok Leela Architectsprofessor Ashok graduated from theUniversity of Cambridge UK inarchitecture Fine Arts and obtained thearchitectural Association diploma in1970 his architectural firm is committedto an architectural practice based onthe principles of environmentsustainability and social responsibilityit has won a number of awards and iswork and its work has been publishedwidely engaged in architecturaleducation since 1990 he has developedcurricula and teaching methods toaddress the same now I invite missShruti narayan LEED green buildingprogram IFC on the podium Mishra T isleading the green building program inIndia she is an architect with over 16years of experience globally in buildingsustainability and resource efficiencyher focus is on developing quantitativestructures to address green buildingsfrom an ecosystem approach lastly Iwould like to invite mr. Manohar Marielaon the stay on the podium he's a bankerwith more than 23 years of experience inbanking across psu private and foreignbanks extensively associated with banktreasury trading profit maximizationresource raising investment riskmanagement and technical analysis I nowhand over the stage to a moderator mr.Nicolas for notch thank you very muchthis site was it was a very goodintroduction thank you for that as youknow I'm working for French DevelopmentAgency I'm very glad to be here for manyreasons one of them is the fact that weare invited by Terry thank you my own mywarmest thanks to Terry for hosting thisseminar we haveworking for telly for we still inpartnership with them for a very longtime it's always a pleasure to come herealso we are working we have been workinghere for the past 10 years in very closeassociation with our European friends soI'm very honored to have been requestedby you until it will be the moderator ofthis panel also not to mention the factthat as a French citizen I'm alsoEuropean citizen and we are also verymuch part of this huge push fromEuropean Union on climate and fightingclimate change and finding appropriatesolution for sustainable development soas a moderator would just give somehouse rules for from the beginning tosay that we first as explained are goingto have a general presentation on thesector and the challenges of the sectorby mahadeva our han from PwC after thatwill go directly to the panelistsdiscussion but we'll do somethingspecial we'll separate that in threesessions so first session would be onenergy efficiency in buildings secondsession would be on green cooling andthird session would be on design andbuilding strategies after each sessionwe do a short Q&A session so in order tokeep live elections with with with theroom so I will ask the panelists tolimit themselves to three to fiveminutes max in order to give some floorfor the discussion afterwards and ofcourse after that we have also aconclusion and we'll finish or work withthis panel so first of all let's switchthe floor to mr. Raju Farhan from WEC togive his a global presentation of thesector Thank You Nicholas so goodmorning everybodyso I am asked to maybe set the contextbut CH sub has already set the contextby giving so many numbersso without wasting time for three tofive minutes I'll just run through whatis the whole idea of this discussion wehave so many experts here so we all areaware that what kind of challenges youhave been facing no need to go into thenumbers but the key drivers here is thatbuilding sector is close to 30 percentof the total electricity consumption weare closely working with Bureau ofenergy efficiency and many initiativesthe initial estimates which we have isthat we are targeting that maybe closeto 1 billion meter square of newcommercial space and more than 3 billionmeter square of new residential space weare targeting by 2030 India will have weall have been talking about differentnumbers of increase in demand but yes weare sure that it is going to bemultiplied twice thrice in times to comeso the urgency of tackling the energyefficiency resource efficiency in thebuilding sector is the priority what arethe policies mandate for the buildingsector B is leading this initiative onbuilding codes 2007 2017 and okay it'snot working here okay so 2007 BuildingCode for commercial building the nextversion is 2017 and we all are workingclosely with B that how this getsimplemented at national level EC VCR forresidential building is already there Bis already working on rating systemscommercially we already have and it isgetting enhanced strengthenedresidential they are coming up with alabeling program then integration ofenergy efficiency in the housing schemeswe talk about the urbanization smartcities as a PwC and of course as manyother agencies they are working with thestate-level thority as municipalauthorities that how this energyefficiency is linked with the smartcities concept so what are thechallenges as of now 13 states havenotified ECBC commercial B is puttinglot of efforts that it getsadopted in many states and it is notsimply about adopting it is more aboutthat how it leads to the implementationso a lot of work needs to be done how dowe say that this ECBC or building energyefficiency do we have a market push forthis we have seen that in last so manyyears the implementation is not theadoption is not that fast so that is oneof the ideas here that how do we make ithappen what is the market push requiredto make a business case out of thisinstitutional capacity many differentmembers here they are working indifferent states and working withdifferent organizations institutions butinstitutional capacity remains one ofthe key challenges which is important tobe addressed if we want our buildingenergy efficiency policies to beaddressed that's where we need a debatehere and I already talked about thebusiness case or market-basedinstruments what kind of instruments wecan have so that rather than a policypush it becomes kind of a business casefor the different stakeholders nextplease cooling we have our India coolingaction plan we have some numbers and weall are talking about that how much newconstruction is coming up in next fewyearsnew construction means that we we aregoing to have more cooling requirementsthat how do we address this issue thatremains one of the priority that whenthis new construction is coming thecooling demand is going to increase whatkind of measures can we have so that isalso one of the discussion points herethat how do we address this coolingissue in India in buildings that remainsthe main contributor if you look at theIndia cooling action plan also in termsof residential the penetration rate asof now in India is very low maybe eightpercent and the targets are that maybeit will rise to 21 percent and 40percent in future so if we are seeing anew addition of these air conditioningappliances orsystems can we control the inflow ofthese kind of appliances into our marketso that we have a reduced demand thatremains one of the discussion points andsimilarly in the commercial segment weare expecting that that this number isgoing to grow much next pleaseso the other area here is that we aretalking about the building policies weare talking about cooling and issues howdo we address it then there's one morediscussion on resources energy water wetalked about energy but water wasteemissions and all that how do we addressthis issue in buildings because theenergy efficiencies policies they arenot talking about water waste and allthat there thereafter comes the issue ofthe green concept many organizationincluding IFC they are pushing hard totake forward theory i GBC to takeforward this idea of green buildings inIndia maybe we would like to discusstoday that where do we stand nowand how do we make it happen that maybethe penetration becomes good and thenthe third idea here is the circulareconomy we have we have started talkingabout circular economy but maybe can welink it with our existing policies nowbecause when we are saying that so muchof new construction is coming up so muchwaste is going to be generated in futurehow do we link it with the existingpolicies that remains one of thediscussion points so what are thepriorities this is my life last nightbefore I give to Nikolas that how do wereduce this energy consumption ambitionthat is one priority which we need todiscuss that whatever existing we aredoing now and what additional we need todo how can we adopt these resourceefficient designs or techniques can wehave it and you has been very particularthat if we need to have some kind of andknow-how transfer or technology transferthat is also very important what kind ofmarket transformational businesspotential for energy efficient materialswe all have been talking about maybeincrement in cost of a building becauseof energy-efficient materials but howcan we create some kind of a businessmodel maybe that the time the cost ofthese materials reduces skills is onearea where maybe we need to talk aboutthat how skills help us in takingforward this journey and then how do westrengthen or scale up this research inthe existing program so this is frommyself Nicholas thank you very much soit was a very good way of setting up theframe for this discussion today thankyou for that it's also an excellentintroduction for the three session we'regoing to organize three sub sessionwe're going to organize I would like tobegin with the first panelist soactually my neighbor so so our didi Ijust remember the first time I met withAdam at no it was actually the head ofBureau of energy efficiency it wasalready some years ago but so we havethe AFD we had strong partnership withbureau of energy efficiency and where wewelcome your contribution regarding whatyou can bring us forgetting how toincrease energy efficiency in thebuilding so protein yours very goodmorning to all of you although it's verydifficult to speak when mister saidbecause who was taking care of buildingsprogram in Bureau he he said everythingthen Rajeev because he is working withBureau and in his presentation he madeeverything that what we are doing so butthankfully two or three things you leftso I can speak on that number one if wetalk about buildings as mister said saidthat building is going to increase manyfolds and I linked it here with thecooling demand as well so that that manyfold only not in terms of existing tonew buildings but in terms of totaldemand of electricity will actually manyfolds than the demand of construction orconstruction which is going to happen ifwe link boththen you can imagine how many times thisenergy demand will go up if we look atresidential buildings it is estimatedthat by 2030 it will be roughly in therange of 3 billion square meters and itwill turn into 6 million square meter by2050 and if today 8 percent is coolingdemand or the people who are using airconditioner and if it is going to 30 or40 or even actually more then we canimagine this 4 times electricityconsumption will actually turn to 8times or 9 times so this is asignificant there will be a significantincrease in energy consumption if wetalk about building sector alone and Iam sure that this right now 33 or 34percent of total electricity consumptionwill be the highest actually or it willgo to more than 50% in by 2030 or 2050so that is the potential what we have inbuilding sector now energy efficiencyplays a significant role if we talkabout energy efficiency from thebuilding perspective whether it's abuilding design 30 to 40 percent isenergy saving potential and if we lookat energy saving with respect to airconditioners and what we have achievedso far in Bureau is like 25 percent ormore than 25 percent energy efficiencyhave been already improved for airconditioners but if this is going toremain same the trends then also we willhave hundred gigawatt of connected loadhundred two hundred and forty watt ofGiga watt of connected load only becauseof air conditioner by 2030 so you canimagine that how much energy saving isrequired we have a few people here whocan actually work on energy efficiencyfor air conditioners aspect so that howwe can reduce that demand so we have toactually double or more than double thisefficiency as well now bureau right nowis working on residential building codewhich we have launched on 14th ofDecember last year this was the part oneof the building code and based on onlybuilding design or building envelopeI'll say so that we can reduce demand ofairconditioning or we can improvecomfortable hours so I am NOT sayingonly air conditioned conditioned homesbut even the homes which are which arenot having air conditioners will be morecomfortable or will have morecomfortable ours over the years secondthing what we are working on is we canwe are working on residential buildinglevel so tomorrow we have a meeting atMinistry of power for its approval sohopefully it will be launched by end ofthis month that residential buildinglabel will be for each home will have astar rating program and it will have asimilar kind of a nameplate as you mustbe seeing on your air conditioners orrefrigerators so there will be anameplate where you can see star ratingand your name so and there will be abuilding passport which will be adynamic document and which can bedownloaded from the website and thiswill not only show what is your APIvalues or how energy performance of yourbuilding but it will also show you thathow you can improvise your building orhow you can improvise your home so thesetwo things we are right now working onapart from what they have told about aCBC 2017 and all last thing which Iwould like to mention here is that weare also working on materials that howwe can improvise how this materialscould be provided for the constructionof energy-efficient homes where we havecollaborated with Terry Terry supportingus along with Gaz and I think fivethousand materials will be identifiedbut identification is one thing thatcost economics and how you can utilizethat is also important so what we willdo we will develop a tool so that youcan select any material and as per yourconditions you can see whether it iseconomical for you or not so it is notonly energy-saving but with respect tohow much money you are going to investin how much energy you will save so allthose things we are working on in thematerials aspect I will not take muchtime so thank you very much thank youvery much it was aperfect on-the-spot regarding not onlythe challenges faced with the the energyefficiency in building sector but alsowith possible solutions so thank youvery much for that I'm sure we'll getback to that maybe in the in the Q&Asession I wanted now to give the floorto mr. Jack Schmidt from NRA NRDCNational Resources Defense Council youare implementing a program calledECBC so energy conservation BuildingCode now I would like you to give ussome insight forgetting the progress andthe challenges you'll face for thatgreat and and yes thank you very much soI don't need to repeat I think all ofthe factoids of why building energyefficiency is such a critical componentso I'll skip over that because I thinkthis is obviously a pretty educated roomon that so what I'm going to speak to isI think sort of two parts of a threepart piece of how to move forward andyou know other folks will talk aboutsome of the cooling aspects so NRDCworked a number of years ago with theadministrative State Staff College of ofIndia and an Hyderabad on helping thestate of Telangana and Andhra Pradesh toadopt the ECBC as a mandatory code andso in 2014 both of those states and andsplit the single state and then splitadopted ECBC as a mandatory code for allcommercial buildings and just last yearthe state of Telangana made that anonline compliance system to make iteasier for building buildings to bringforward the compliance but as well tomake sure that we could track progressover time because we know that sort ofcompliance is one of the the keychallenges and at the September summitin California the state of Telanganaannounced and has moved forward with arequirement that all the major cities inTelanganaadopt both ECBC for all the the citiesand major cities as well as the onlinecompliance system and the state ofAndhra Pradesh is moving forward withthe online compliance system as we speakso huge I think progress these are twovery important leading States and ECBCcompliance in whom the state of or inthe city of Hyderabad over 50 commercialbuildings have gone through this systemwhich is a pretty significant amount ofeffort and I think for most part theyfound it hopefully relatively easy andrelatively ensure compliance with thesystem we are now working with the stateof Telangana to update it to the newECBC standard and to make the new ECBCstandard a part of the the mandatorycode compliance as well as the onlinecompliance system I think the the thirdpiece I want to just or the second pieceI want to just emphasize just a littlebit is we've been working in both amnabod and in Hyderabad on a cool roofsprogram which is another component ofthis from our experience this is a botha sort of a win-win for commercialbuildings residential buildings but alsofor low-income communities because itcan reduce the cooling demand in allthose places and also make it reallycritical in terms of saving livesbecause to me as the heat rises we needto create sort of better comfort forpeople so two of the things I'll justleave you with for from our experiencewe worked with the state of Telanganaand Hyderabad and and did a sort ofconsultation with a number of thebuilding developers real estatedevelopers etc and a couple lessonsthese will be sort of I think very sortof common knowledge but I think it'simportant to move as States more Statesmove forward with them important to sortof keep in mind the first is that youknow creating adequate awareness aboutthe efficiency acrossstakeholders is a critical step for itso case studies training workshops thosekinds of things you know they're sort ofstandard par for the course but they arereally important because there's a hugesegment of the real estate and theBuilder community that just doesn't knowabout these pieces the second pieceno-brainer but engaging governmentofficials across the spectrum buildingthat capacity and engaging them sort ofreally early in the process is criticalthe third lesson is bring in the realestate developers very early so in thein Telangana and Andhra Pradesh weworked very closely with the real estatecommunity to design the program gotbuy-in for them for the real estatecommunity it's often a way to sort ofhave the high performance people pullthe rest of the market up so that thehigh performance people don't get sortof undercut by the the lower end of thespectrum hmm the the third and I thinkwe have a couple of experts on the panelhere or the fourth is to bring in makesure you bring in the designers and thetechnical expertise quite quite earlyinto the process so there's a huge setof technical engineering expertisearchitects and leading folks and thelast piece is hmm is you know notshocking but you know local officialsare tend to be sort of under resourcedand so finding ways to sort of bring thepieces forward you know in terms ofknowledge skill sets is it's sort ofcritical so just to kind of wrap you upwith I think to sort of anecdotes onboth of those I was just in Hyderabadover the weekend and I think two thingsto kind of leave this this group with sothe building the CII building the GreenBuilding in Hyderabad hmm it's justabout to become a net zero building it'sa building built in 2001 or designed in2001 built in 2003 so who state of theart at the time probably not state ofthe art today maybe it is in some senseand one of the so they're gonna add arelatively small additional rooftopsolar to the building which is not thatlarge and the I would say the criticalstep for going foran old building with state-of-the-artenergy efficiency to NetZero is becausethey had made significant energyefficiency investments over time so theactual demand that they have of heatingand cooling is of cooling is quite smallin that buildingand then the last sort of conclusion forfolks is to make sure you know we'vebeen thinking about as you roll out ECBCstandards more broadly things likemandatory cool roofs for commercialbuildings for residential buildings itmay be about sort of bringing tools thatthe government can bring trainingworkshops educational materials becausethe the cool roofs pay for themselvesbut there's obviously usually a sort ofbarrier to information and then I thinkit's really important to provide someincentives for cool roofs for low incomecommunities because that's really aboutsort of saving lives and bringingimproved comfort especially as heatsincrease so with that I'll be happy tostop thank you very much Jake it wasgreat to hear but this online compliancesystem in telangana because it's a nicefusion between digital India and housingfault so thanks a lot for all thesegrassroots and experience from from fromTelangana so I guess we have a finishour first session regarding energyefficiency I would like to bring tobring inthe room so if I would take twoquestions this question can also berelated to first presentation by mr.Rihan so don't please don't hesitate toto ask any question so clearly you havehere some points of discussion somethinga question we asked regarding energyefficiency in building so it can bequestion from the floor it can also be acontribution from you thank you thankyou for to the panelists for a greatintroduction to this you know energyefficiency buildings just a point tonote that I mean we talking about thisfor the last three years maybewhy is awareness raising still an issuea very basic question but I still feelwe are all talking about I mean the mainthing what Jake raised is awarenessraising and understanding which mr.Sanchez it said that it's not increasedcosts it's the returns that you get overa period of time so why we are not ableto hit that and get overawareness-raising and come to moreprojects and demonstrations I mean whatis the obstacle here well sorry if Igave you the impression thatawareness-raising you've passed thebuilding is all that we need to do Ithink I mean from our experience andit's true in India it's true in Chinait's true in the u.s. it's true aselsewhere it's like government policyhas to set that minimum floor so theawareness way raising is important inthe build into that policy and thenafter it's implemented but you know foryour you know you know especially you'realways gonna have I think a sort ofinnovative cutting set of buildings thatare gonna be built to like highefficiency standards but you need to seta minimum standards so that everybodycomes along and that's why you knowhaving mandatory you know ECBCcompliance you know I think is is quitecritical i-i-i I would probably wager abet that the 50 buildings in Hyderabadwe wouldn't have 50 if it weren't forthe mandatory ECBC you would sort ofhave some segments that would do kind ofcutting inmaybe green buildings but but a fairamount of them would not have sort ofcome along if it weren't for that sortof minimum floor so it's kind of youknow critical component and I think theyou know the other reality is you knowonce the real estate community is onboard they tend to roll pretty fast withactually implementing of it because aswe all know these things pay forthemselves really easy and it's aboutsort of just sort of making sure thatpeople sort of move forward with thesequite quickly because you know they'rethey're pretty bankable projects I meanyou're talking about you know one to twoyears difference in terms of paybackperiod that's a pretty good investmenteven in even in today's market noquestion is awareness of whom now wehave different type of stakeholdersnumber one when it is mandatorythen why we need awareness because ithas to be implemented but still whetherstate because state government isimplementing so awareness of stategovernment awareness of developers whowill actually construct those buildingsor the people who will demand for itbest part is if people demand for itthen only things will move and then youdon't need any mandatory regime even ifwe look at start labeling program inIndia people asked for that and even ifwill not make it mandatory still it willwork so mandatory is not the right wayto do but in this case because it is notbeing implemented it is we are workingon now awareness of every entity isimportant here we are working forarchitects who we are raising awarenessto them so that they don't only designfrom the view viewing aspect ofbuildings but also from the energyefficiency we are working with all thestate governments so at least 30programs we are conducting in each stateright now that so that we are givingawareness to each and every person inthose states it is taking time butthings are changenow I can say that within next threemonths we arealthough elections are there so that'swhy it's a bit slow but in within threemonths three to four months every statewill notify this so that level we haveachieved so far and in each state rightnow notification is at least with loblaw section with themso all those notifications are readyeither they are with the law or for thecabinet approval so that kind of levelwe have achieved so farso this thirteen will actually turn 230in a couple of months I will say butstill awareness is the issue I agree tothat but we are working on it thank youexcellent I guess it was a perfectanswer this awareness issue is veryimportant I'm sure that we will comeback to it with the interesting questionof awareness versus mandatory programsobligationsso let's now because time is running solet's go directly to the second sessionnow single second session will be aboutgreen Cunningham so first I would liketo introduce dr. Satish Kumar okayso from a trip early aliens forenergy-efficient economy so please tellus about this event okay thank youmister for now and I'd like to expressmy sincere thanks to Terry NW SDS forgiving an opportunity to a Tripoli I'vebeen asked to speak on green cooling andso I think I would like to touch uponfive points during my like interventionand before I do that I just want to saythat why India in India and around theworld probably in cooling has becomesuch an important topic we use a word orwe use a phrase called a perfect coolingstorm and I think that's what India isfacing we have a large population about1.3 billion people we have a largelytropical climate if you lookin terms of the cooling degree days Ithink India is about 40 to 50 percenthotter than most of the big urbancenters that we are looking at whetherit's in China in the US or in Europe ifwe are looking at rising aspirations ofpeople and everybody desires to have amore comfortable life beyond food homeand shelter so I think your conditionersstarts to appear high on priority beyondfans beyond refrigerators beyond twowheelers so I think these are some ofthe things that are going to drive thecooling demand we have heard somenumbers whether it's hundred gigawatt or200 gigawatt I think it's a matter ofassumptions and projections but it isgoing to be a fairly sizable demand inthe futureso what what should India do I think youwhy and how it can provide what we arecalling for thermal comfort for all Ithink that's the first point that Iwould like to make that with a 1.3billion population with a very Ani evenincome levels there has to be a nationalgoal or a target for thermal comfort forall becomes a priority and that isimportant because I think there are manypolicies that are in play right now ofcourse we have heard about buildingenergy efficiency policies ECBC is oneof the most important ones and with theresidential one coming into plane Ithink this will become probably an evenmore important point when we talk aboutthermal comfort for all I think theimportance of first principles like thescience building physics policy designand construction and I think humanbehavior all of these become extremelyextremely important in terms of how dowe accomplish it and fortunately I thinkthere has been some really good qualitywork that has been done and one thingthat I would like to emphasizeespecially is the adaptive thermalcomfort work that has come out of SeptUniversity I think it's it has takenIndia while I think ASHRAE started to Ithink steer into the adaptive thermalcomfort model a while ago but I think ithas been proved conclusively that peoplewho are born in tropical climbthey tend to prefer higher temperatureand that could have a significantbearing in terms of the resilience ofthe design in terms of the energyimplications of the design adhere tobelieve we actually did some study tolook at the national energy savingsestimate if we adopt the thermal comfortstandards and what we are finding out isthat for each degree Celsius rise intemperature if you go from 22 degreeCelsius to 27 degree Celsius the impactcould be like six to eight percent ofenergy consumption per degree Celsius sothat's I think that's a low-hangingfruit and that is so so important Ithink in in terms of some of the thingsthat can be done without spending awhole lot of effort and without I thinksome of the challenges that we face inpolicy implementation the second partthat I would say is that we need toadopt I think some speakers before mehave spoken about that but I'm justusing a term that we tend to use at aTripoli it's also part of our thermalcomfort for all publication what we calllean mean and green and I think by leanmean and green I think the idea is thatyou place the biggest emphasis on designand I think that's why again ECBCbecomes so important and you design thebuildings from the first principles andyou do the right things do all of themand do all of them in the right order Ithink that's what I think is mostimportant and so the focus onsustainable design to reduce coolingload then you use or deploy mostenergy-efficient appliance or equipmentto satisfy those load whether it'senergy-efficient lighting or cooling orcooking whatever that may be and thenthe last thing that you need to do is tothink about renewables and is to thinkabout I think Green refrigerant and alot of other things but if you reversethis process then you are not going toactually get all the benefits and at theright level so I think this is this isalso something that I think NetZeroEnergy building asks for and it's a verysimple I think formulation that I thinkeverybody needs to really understand andrather than rushing to kind of do someshowcase thingscan get I think good publicity I thinkit's a very basic thing that needs to bedone a role of innovation R&D I think hethat is there is a price that we areinvolved in under the mission innovationscheme global cooling cries and it iscalling for disruptive innovation in theappliance design which is not like 1020percent but we are looking at 5x impactI think on grid which is the kind ofthings that we also need to do given thechallenges that we are facing and lastlyI would say that the role of Indiacooling action plan which is somethingthat has been developed with the help ofmany ministries and where an attempt hasbeen made to look at economy-widecooling and refrigeration requirementand what will be the role of policy whatwill be the role of technology what willbe the role of R&D in the context ofboth refrigerant and non refrigerantcooling as well as I think the capacitybuilding and whether if servicetechnician whether it's central plantstaff for better operation andmaintenance of staff so India isdefinitely going beyond beyond kigalimandate because it is looking at I thinkcalling in a much more holistic mannerand that's the need of the hour so I'llstop here thank you very much thank youit's a clear for everybody that thegreen cooling is a very important partof fighting climate change if we cansucceed into that it would be a crucialpoint of fighting climate change so nowI would like to introduce and to givethe floor to mr. Cornelius Hine veryinteresting we are going to expand a bitwe're only talking about India now it'sa good good moment to talk a bit aboutyou and what you are supporting at EUlevel regarding wrinkly thank you andgood afternoon to all indeed and I startnevertheless with internationalperspective because in a recentpublications International Energy Agencydescribe cooling as one of the blindspots on of the international climatepolicy which is a very one of the mostcritical energy issues that is oftenoverlookedI can say that in the EU we looked atthe cooling sector relatively early onalso from from the climate perspectiveby adopting legislation on therefrigerants and on reducing andcontaining refrigerants which are verypotent greenhouse gases in a turn and assuch but at the same time on a secondstrand also to address the energyefficiency of cooling air conditioningand refrigeration equipment both bymandatory energy efficiency standardsand associated labeling requirements sowe have a two-track approach focusing onthe direct emissions of refrigerantswhich are harmful as such but in thesame time also securing on the savingsthrough measures on energy efficiencythat let us also to or to push quite onquite hard to come to an inclusion ofHFCS the most potent and most often usedreplacements for the ozone depletingsubstances into the Montreal Protocoland there we listen very carefully tunedand the Indian negotiators were quitereluctant to take on early commitmentson reducing refrigerants also Wilson andwith Liam remark and about the strategicand vital role of cooling andavailability of refrigeration for Indiaand it's expected growth we heard aboutthis morning there in Europe thesituation is a bit easier and we are amore saturated market but for India it'sit is indeed huge challenge we adoptedand anticipate it and itrement under the mantra protocol whichwe reached on 2016 in Kigali and we CERNwas a very good compromise weanticipated this agreement by setting byanticipating a face down of HFCSdomestically and at the beginning whenwe develop this on this legislation onindustry and on many stakeholdersespecially from the south side it'simpossible to replace certain turncertain appliances but in the meantimetechnology has advanced and this thisdevelopment which we triggered by ourdomestic legislation will also benefitIndia and the rest of the world when itcomes to to a transition away from ozonedepleting substances and HFCS but ofcourse we faced also some problems andand identified some some problems totackle and that is mainly onqualification skill and awareness of thesector in particular so servicing sectorbecause and the people who are actuallydesigning and installing the equipmenthave to be knowledgeable and have to beable to apply the newest and bestavailable technology which is not easythat's why the use on in cooperationwith our servicing Association and isrunning a program for skilling fore-learning of technicians and servicingcompanies to really roll out the best ontechnologies and that certainly inparticular true also for for India whereperhaps the participant involvement ofthe informal sector is even strongerthan then in Europe where we are andnevertheless have such emphasis onchallenge identified so that certainlysomething we would be also willing to tocooperate withIndia and then Edwin mentioned andmentioned in particular our bilateralprojects where we certainly would makethis as a as a main topic of ofcooperation in the in the area ofcooling thank youthank you very much once again I heardsomething interesting about awarenessand awareness raising versus mandatorystandard so it's very interesting toknow what you is doing in order to seewhat we can do also in India so now Iwould like to give the floor for one ortwo questions if you are interestedplease raise your hand and bringcomments or questions how can weimplement these green cooling methods inlisting buildings and how can we promotethat increase take our stakeholderparticularly our finest Department whois there to accept our proposal forgiving and the money for going for greencooling so that we can go for implementgreen cooling in a similar way we have alot of challenge a limitation thank youyeah so I think retrofitting anytime isharder than I think doing it right thefirst time so but having said that Iwould say that in terms of retrofittinglarge air conditioning plants which arebeing run by chillers or packaged airconditioners there are definitelyexamples and models that are being usedif with the help of energy audits andthird-party financing and esko's comingin and executing those projects I thinkthat is one way that is happening Ithink in terms of the payback and interms of how to convince the financepeople or the procurement people of thebenefits of that they will tend to lookat I think he what's the return oninvestment and sometimes I think thereturn on investmentpretty good I mean it they could be likethree to five years which is stillproviding you I think more than a twentypercent return on investment so thechallenge has been that how do youarticulate it I think how much time doesit take and and whether the competencyand I think the project managementexpertise of some of the companies whoare stepping up I think that has alsobeen cause for concern but my sense isthat there are more and more examples ofthis companies coming forward and anddoing it in terms of other I thinkoperation and maintenance aspect therehas been some discussions about trainingI think how what kind of facilitymanagers you have what kind of centralplant operators do you have so that youcan maintain and run the central plantat peak efficiency because that isanother area where how you are I thinkevaluating your initial energyefficiency levels and what is the actualenergy efficiency level so that issomething that I also feel that there isa room for improvement there and lastthing I would say that in terms ofresidential setup the role of thetechnicians I think II when they comeand do the annual maintenance contractswhen they change the refrigerants howthat is getting installed and how do youensure that the cooling that is beingdelivered by I think standalone unitslike room air conditioner split airsystems I think that is also very veryimportant so if you have more benchmarkswhere you can say that okay the totalinitial capacity of the equipment wasthis much and based on the testing thatwe are doing this is now only 5%degraded after three years or ten yearsif we have those kind of things which anormal customer can actually follow veryeasily then that would also helpactually in maintaining and operatingthese air conditioning equipment at peakefficiency thank you yes thank you Iwanted also to to stress on the pointabout the importance of maintenanceabout on the skills of of the companiesinvesting in installing and designingthose systemfind options and to improve an exitexisting system sometimes it can besufficient to earn to clean the heatconverter a tool to gain on 20 to 20percent of energy efficiencyso again skill knowledge earn is anabsolutely key there's no one fits allsolution every building has to be lookedat and assessed in in terms of ofpotential for saving also in existingand it's India has now an opportunitywas as expected new construction and newdesign of buildings and to perhaps moveaway from traditional technologyapproaches to use refrigerant freecooling technologies using absorptionusing solar panels or a foot of all typeto so there are many options and that'sa certain opportunity to avoid the needfor for cooling and to come to betterand perhaps innovative approaches so Iwould like to inform that sorry but Iwould like to inform that promise orrather I would like to add a small iceespectthat your your query has to do a lotwith old buildings going into airconditioning could it have something todo with that or building that alreadyare a condition but need to go intogreen air-conditioning but I just wantto add something about there's a lot ofgovernment building stock and even youknow institutional buildings all acrossthe country which are now going to gointo air condition so I think there is acase for having budgets for upgrade ofthe building envelope windows andinsulation roof and walls to firstreduce the ingress of heat and to keepthe moisture and the heat outfirst spend on that reduce your demandfor air conditioning then go for green acondition that's a strong recommendationthanks very much but if you wanted tohave so colonists just one question toyou I think I'm just taking it forwardwhat he said for new construction goingfor green cooling and all that is finethere are different strategies policymandates creating markets and all thatbut when we talk about the existingconsumers what is your experienceEuropean experience that because if I aman existing consumer what is themotivator for motivation for me to gofor green refrigerants and all that fromwhere I am coming here is we areparallely working a AC replacementprogram with few utilities and one ofthe manufacturers came up with the ideathat they want to go for some kind ofthey can offer replacing therefrigerants with the green refrigerantsor whatever we say one thing which weare not able to maybe find as of now isthat what is the interest or motivatorfor the consumer what is the benefit dothey have so do they do you have someexperience from Europe that how did youmanage the existing consumersthat's indeed interesting questionretrofitting is difficult but that alsodepends on the setting and the design ofsome of the system you may have caseswhere you operate a more centralizedlarger system which needs to earn tomaintain her to be maintained from fromtime to time if there is an replacementand you would would make use ofopportunities to increase energyefficiency there is not a not a programto to replace existing single splitunits that's modeled in the market andour energy efficiency legislation whichmakes sure that once it it is replacedon a better energy efficiency level andit's available so it's it's rather atthis stage where the smaller units areaddressed okay so thank you for for forthis very interesting exchange I feelfor time reasons we have to now directlyswitch to our last session so our lastsession would be a bit more multiple weare talking about technical aspects werealso talking about financial aspectsfirst I would like to encourageprofessor LAN to take the floor I wouldlike to ask you to keep two threeminutes to intervention thank you I justwant to briefly look at the immediateconcerns and response to immediateconcerns and then also at the long termopportunities and reflecting on theconversations we've had already in thismorning on the image in front I thinkit's very important to emphasize as weexplode into huge building constructionright across the subcontinentwe are talking about an embodied energyexplosion the sheer production ofmaterial in buildings is going to bemuch more impactful in terms of carbondioxide emissions than operationalenergyof these new buildings motion it wouldbe simple buildings but that's going tobe a big thing so that's one the secondis that the way in which cities bylawsare being trained today and City cuzplanning regulations are being framedtoday there is a push towards taller andtaller buildings which become inherentlyheavy on embodied energy principally dueto the consumption of steel if for tier2 and tier 3 cities leave along the bigcities let's say you are to haveregulations or planning planningprinciples that produce cities 3 to 4storeys high you'll bring down theambient embodied energy in thosebuildings by 15 to 20 percent comparedto the tall structures and this issomething that has to be addressed atthe planning level it's a greatopportunity as a matter of immediateconcern because it means revisiting thepolicy on this front similarly I wouldsay there is a need to see the potentialof solar PV integration into buildingswe have done calculations to show thatwhen you have four-story high buildingsand you got simple living under those inthose floor 4 floors if you dividepercent of the roof area to catch thesolar energy you can meet 80% ofelectricity demand annually so urbanfabric systems that produce a low solarlow carbon potential capturing solarenergy is what we have to move towardsthat's an immediate concern and astrategy that must be put into place nowimportant also is what we do this designis as important as selection ofmaterials and technologies theconfiguration of buildings themselvesproduce passage by through passivedesign comfort within it is not simplythe material is the configuration alsoso that has to be important and I wantto make sure that the consumerthe end user is now aware that he or shedeserves a comfortable form she deservesa comfortable home it can be designed itcan be produced it can be built atpractically no extra cost that personmust know this and begin to demand it Ithink that's a big gap in our entirepublicity campaign moving on to longerdistance considerations long-termconsiderations I think there's anopportunity for a lot of collaborationbetween you know across the globeespecially between Europe in India I'llcite two significant examples one is thenotion of using the available clay inthe entire integrated kinetic plane andmany other such River on planes hugeresource that we have we only need tolearn to use it more sustainablyproducing construction materials out ofclay at low energy costs at low carbondioxide emissions the example of Germanyand the Netherlands is fantastic you canreally learn from that how come thestraight survives and how come all weare saying that you've got to switchover on brickit's an available resource in fact whenyou talk to a circular economy you knowthe circular economy has its limitationsif you're going to expand yourconstruction to three or four times whatwe have today you can't work with thecircular economyNuman new material has been produced andI would say research in collaboration inthe development of clay products forconstruction is a big gap and needs tobe really worked forward one minute lastone little further timber and biomass itwas a knowledge that was imbued in thiscountry many you know some centuriesback we have totally lost it the day welost our forests we turn away fromtimber the world is returning to timberand biomass as construction materialsit's totally lost now another area forcollaboration to prepare for the nexttwothree decades the resources have to bedeveloped techniques have to be learntagain and the high degrees of efficiencythe harvesting of timber the generationof timber of construction purposes issomething that must start on thesub-continent today and the skills andknowledge for it have to be grown withinthat's my recommendation thank you thankyou so much I would like to add my ownexample of how to do proper design withby mentioning Luca Vijay who built inChandigarh buildings which were designedas not using any external AC so also itand dates back from the 50s so meaningthat we have nice examples in India ofproper design of construction reading aenergy-efficient building so I wouldlike now to switch to the next speakernext picker is mr. Shah Tina iron fromIFC Reglanhe's here because at least she'sbringing some element of gendercompliance into this panel too so and ofcourse there is so the fact that you'reworking for AFC meaning that it's timenow to speak a bit about financialaspects within the Green Buildingsubject thank you thank you it's alwaysgood to be towards the end of a paneldiscussion because so much pertinenttopics have already been covered thereyou don't have to sort of add much butcoming from IFC which is the privatesector arm of the World Bank I wouldlike to say that I would like to maketwo points you know so IFC believes Imean one of her strong mandates iscreating markets so we think that allissues and problems around the world andour focus has always been climate changeand poverty reduction and access toprosperity of people is that if you cancreate markets you can resolve theproblem and markets are created bycollaboration between differentstakeholders and many of you know whichhave spoken before and are in theaudience that you need the government tocollaborate with the private sector youneed the consumers to come on board soyou need collaboration to createmarkets to sort of unlock the economicpotential that that's there so that'sthe kind of you know the way we havebeen looking at the problem around greenbuilding and climate change is to how wecan create markets and and do capitalinfusion and create instruments likefinancial instruments that can actuallyhelp some of these issues to getresolved and the other thing that I wantto say that often people start thinkingwhen you talk about creating markets isthat you're actually moving away you'retalking about scale I just want toclarify that I don't think so we'retalking about scale we're talking aboutviability and viability is important soyou you have to look at you know how youcan create scale and especially in thecomplex context that India is wherethere are so many regional variation isthat how do you keep that in context soespecially even looking at you know sortof energy and cooling and materialshow can you sort of you know retain thatyou know regional aspects and contactswith with getting scale so you know Ican just kind of cite a quick examplefree we've been working with you knowIIT Chennai and Saint Gobain ResearchInstitute on a project that's actuallysupported by the European Union which islooking at scaling up green buildings inIndia in identifying new materials soone of the materials that we'veidentified is GF RG which is you knowglass fiber reinforced gypsum that isactually using waste gypsum so it's alsolooking at you know reduction inembodied energy but it's also looking ata very forward-thinking problem of howto sort of reduce time like how can youreduce time also in your building so howdo you bring all that together inidentifying sort of new problems increating markets the second thing that Iwant to put across is something that gotsort of vaguely covered and I think wasconsumer awareness so there werequestions around with you know Rajeeeven and Smitha brought up that you knowwe've been talking about awareness buthow come we are still sitting here Imean I mean I've been in this industry Ican see over a decade and I have beenaround and talking about the same issuesactually different people I meandifferent kind of issues but it's beenaround and I think we believe in theworld bank that consumer awareness isvery very importantthe factyou know Rajiv mentioned that how youknow some how do you pitch yourrefrigerant that's better it's the factthat you know I mean four days ago weheard that the Himalayan glaciers aregoing to be no more than 80 years so ifyou put that across to someone I don'tthink so there is a there is going to bean issue in deciding so we look atconsumer awareness in two ways ineconomic perspective and health and Ithink if you start pitching consumerawareness in that aspect to differentconsumers you can actually resolve theproblem of climate change because it'sno more a question of selection it'sit's what you need to do to actuallylive so it's as basic as that so I thinkum and also once you start looking atconsumer awareness the ability to takerisk which is a third thing that I wantto talk about is risk which comes in allmarkets it's in financing like I knowyou know my colleague who's going to betalking is from MHP is going to betalking about how we can take risks andyou know scale up the market I thinkwhen you start you increase consumerawareness at different levels thegovernment the the you know the privatesector the consumers your ability torisks taking risks increases whichallows you to actually innovateexperiment and reach sort of a level ofscale that you're looking at for thingsto happen and I think that's the way toresolve that that issue so um I wouldlike to end with with that I think thatwe are in there on the right track witha lot of collaboration that's alreadyhappening and I think that we will becoming up with solutions soon becausethis issue is very real thank you verymuchi I wanted to give the floor to our lastpanelist last but not the least becausethe National Housing bank I'm very happyto introduce mr. Madera from fromNational Housing bank given the factthat there is a very interestingEuropean intervention alreadyand beginning its implementation of nhbwe were funding from frenzy rep andagency funding from EU but total 112million euro regarding how to financeaffordable housing so I will give youthe forums mayor thank you so Nikolasafternoon respected dignitaries on thestage but Spence and organizers it's ourprivilege to be part of this summit toto deliver a lecture on what nhb hasbeen proposing to take part in thisinitiative of sandrov housing program orgreen housing program whatever you callit as so well we have been talking aboutthe importance of green housing theimportance of preservation of the energyresources so everything everybody isconvinced but how to take it forwardsomebody some financial has to come theyhave to take up the project they have tosupport so we at nhb we are ready to dothat as you are aware that just let metalk about what nhb is nhb is an FXfinancial institution for housing set abarrier Act of Parliament and is whollyowned by Reserve Bank of India as of nowso our basic motive was to promotehousing in the country and we have tobring in new initiatives and newtechnologies into the sector of housingwhich were under nasan stage and whichrequest special attention and supportthrough regulatory or as well as andfinancial aspects so the banks weregulate the housing finance companiesand besides we also provide significantdevelopmental finance towards affordablehousing in the country we seek tointervene in the sectors and segmentswhich require special attention so as weare discussing this green housing andgreen building concept so NH B is readyto partner with that and in pass also wehave done we have partnered with theDepartment for International Developmentdeafened UK and on the subject thatmaking affordable housing sustainablefor India and also with kmw Germany forenergy-efficient residence residences inIndia so on both this project there wasa very good response from theparticipants from the all stakeholdersand with the samemotive and with the same initiative wehave taken forward with a of D forfinancing this green housing under aprogram called sunroof sustainable useof Natural Resources and energy financeso under that collaboration along withAFP we have entered into an MoU for aline of credit of 100 million euros sowe enter into agreement in 2070 and wehave availed that facility from al-din amonth of December so these areapproximately 800 crores and fiftypercent of that amount that is 400crores is earmarked for EWS and LIChousing as you are aware that this greenhousing and green building every energyefficient housing so there is a wrongconcept in the minds of the people thatthese are pertaining to the high incomestrata and luxury living but nhb is thefirst institution to bring it forward tothe middle class and economically weakersections so that we wanted to give a bigboost for its usage and so that theenergy resources can be savedsignificantly so there is a scheme nowwe have been partnered with AF D so thefinancing cost would be bit cheaper thanother ways of refinance available fromnhv because there is a grant componentprovided by them so we are ready to takeforward and we have also have atechnical component and under thattechnical component there is a technicalconsultant will be on board and theywould be helping us in buildingcapacities and creating awareness amongthe people and builders architectsengineers and developers for planningand design and construction of the greenbuildings so this is only one suchprogram it nhb will not stop with thiswe are looking forward to take itforward further this is only this just ademonstrative project so so we at nhb wecommit ourselves to introduce similarprograms which enhances the quality ofthe habitat in the country and also weare committed for the development of theaffordable housing and we are committedto provide housing for all by 2022 byconstructing 2 crore houses so in orderto do that there is a greater need thatwe have to follow all these principlesandto preserve our resources and we have tomove accordingly thank you very muchthank youthank you so before concluding thissession I wanted to take that once againone or two questions from the floor so Isee one person over there please onelittle observation especially after Iheard mr. Ashok Balazsaddress we are talking about greenbuilding sustainable buildings but andalso you touched that we should againrethink about timber but India being thesecond largest producer of bamboo having103 bamboo species I we have nobody hastalked about bamboo and bamboo if Chinahas been so successful in using bambooas a rally mode of for constructionpurposes why can't in here do it I don'tsee comment I don't see private sector Idon't see civil society ever touchingthis point we have hundred and threespecies and all these species can beused in construction in building housesin one way or the other and we havereally such good natural results so Ireally don't know why we are not talkingwhy financial institutions are notbuilding products for development oftemper or usage of timber I have Ireally don't know maybe I will get someanswers for me thank you I don't I don'tknow but I mean okay well but we'veinteracted a little bit I mean not evenfrom the World Bank but I've interactedwith them before and they're doing a lotof work in Northeast in identifying andalso in Madhya Pradesh in looking attechnologies and on how bamboo can belooked at from scale but I basicallywant to echo the same comment that thereis a national mission bamboo missionwhich is currently in place and it islooking at various in fact theconsole during the greer summit hascollaborated the you know they haveprobably not been able to reach out thatsuccessfully to the sustainablecommunity in the built environment butthey have collaborated with us to makesure that the bamboo gets the positionthat you raised ma'am so with that Ithink I just leave it there and we cantake it offline thank you very much yeahsorry I didn't communicate my pointsufficiently it's a timber and otherbiomass it could be grasses and bamboosall together this is going to be theonly set of renewable resource thatyou're going to have in the future andif you don't develop that capability nowyou're going to be you gonna be sunkmy question is tomorrow her so I was atdiffered and I designed that low-incomehousing program the one you're speakingof and I recall at that time we had tosubstantially subsidize the financing tothe developers for this program now ifyou are bringing in and we can't reallybring in a lot of green measures becauseof the cost issue so now things havechanged that was in 2012 so now thingshave changed are you now forincentivizing green low-income housingdo you have to up the subsidy or hasthere been some changes in terms ofusing most sustainable indigenousmaterial and have there been somepositive developments there like thefeed-in a B also as I told you there isa grant component so the benefits ofwhich would be pass it on to the onlending institutions and they would bepassing on the benefit to that homeborrowers so we have created the schemepromoting green housing refinance creamPG hrs so the scheme is in two parts onepart is towards the refinance to the plice who will be lending towards theindividual households so who are fallingin the ranks of louis ii w SL ag and MIGwith incomes of 3 lakhs per annum 6lakhs and 18 lakhs per annum so we arelikely to adjust that eligibilitycriteria and PG HR is to under secondpart it is like construction financinglikehousing finance companies they can lendto the PLS which are involved in theconstruction finance which would beultimately given for a habitation by theindividual residents so in that casealsobut the prerequisite is that they shouldbe rated 4 star 5 star rating and IG BCgold or platinum rated so thispre-qualification is also a requirementbut despite all of this but there is anincentive for the a home loan buyerbecause the interest cost whatever isthere is going to be subsidized and itis much more going to be lower than whattheir what they would have availed innormal general refinance so that's whatwe can insure thank you I guess it'stime now to conclude conclude thissession actually I would not do I willnot do that alone I would like you toask my fellow panelists to each of themin turn say with one phrase what is ourmain recommendation regardingsustainable building in India so pleasetake I'll do even better I'll use oneword fast I would say that fast andaffordability and scale I think a lot offurther discussions have focused onsolutions one of the things that I wouldprobably like to see I don't think Ihave a solution to that is that thereare lots of sustainable building designand technologies available I think thediscussions most of the time gets astuck in that are we doingsmall-scale pilot projects or can thesethings be scaled rapidly I think a lotof ministries face these issues facethese challenges and if we can come as acommunity together to do that I thinkthe last question on bamboo was alsorelated to that I think it that wouldreally help move the needle onsustainable building design and greenconstructionwhen face collaborative so that we canwork together and only one person is orone organization is not requiredeverybody is required to do this somaybe a few more words see the trendswhich way they are going today get realand take action to change them forreducing the impacts of cooling in thesame time fulfilling and satisfying theincreasing cooling demand we have totake holistic approach and bring allactors on board including those who areactually putting the hands on buildingthe equipment and actually doing the jobsay no they are the most importantpeople to to know they have to know whatthey are doing it's good for you goodfor the planet so what I feel is that asof now most of the energy consumptionairlock City cars are subsidized by thestate that is the government I thecentral elected government so in commonhomebuyer will not look at all thesecosts initially so there is a need forus in in terms of the long term savingsthere is a great need for this and theyshould realized it and we have to takeit forward further thank you so now it'stime for me to finish I would just Iwill make a very brief summary what welearned today you I guess it's veryuseful for for all the person present inhis assistance first of all of coursethere is a big challengeraised by how building is contributingto the climate change meaning that wehave to address this channel by allmeans possible and in order to do that II heard from the panelists threedifferent point which seemed to be veryimportant first one is technical ofcourse because we do have to find theproper ways local ways to find asustainable and energy efficientconstruction design is very importantbut also all the solution we heard todayabout cool roofs about green coolingabout retrofitting all of this has to bedone integrating solar energy I takeyour point local construction material Ithink this is a very important tointegrate since the design but also forthe retrofitting all this local solutionso because then you you have moreresource efficiency and then you youmake it will cost you less at the end ofthe day second point is aboutinstitutional aspects also veryimportant there was a very interestingdiscussion going on regarding do we haveto do to impose things on people or dowe have to do things to increase theirawareness I guess both are important butawareness is a very crucial parteverybody mentioned the fact that it'snecessary to raise our awareness at thelevel of the end-users because if theywe if they are not risk requesting forgreen green building it will be verydifficult to impose that on them and inorder to do that a lot of soft actionshave to be launched awareness raisingbut also training skill development andalso development of proper standardsfrom B it's very important we have a lotof nice standards here we have to makesure that they are implemented andfinally I would like to conclude by thefinancial part because as a financialmyself it's a rule to make sure thatpeople find at the end of the day theright financial solutions to have theiraffordable green housing and for thatinitiative like what is is doing butalso what energy is doing is veryimportant I know there are some privatedevelopers here in the room so you knowthat thisis being launched in order to make surethat for the end-usera green building energy-efficientbuilding comes at the same cost as whatwas before so-called normal nonefficient building so I guess with withthese three main points I took from thispanel I wanted to mean to say very warmthanks to my colleague panelist it wasvery nice to have you around and youhere your your deep insights I guess wecan all have a good round of applausefor everyone for everyoneThank You mr. Nicklaus and speakers foryour thoughtful suggestions and commentsI would now request mr. Nicklaus Manojto hand hand over the moment ofappreciation to mr. Rajiv Ilhan theseare the homegrown herbs of Terry supeythe Nano biotechnology Department theNano biotechnology Department and havehelped the villagers of new otra cantoJody's herbs to mr. Saur of Dede[Applause]mr. Jake Smith dr. Satish Kumar mr.Cornelius swim professor show Bilalmiss Shruti Narayan mr. Manohar MarellaI would also request mr. Sanjay savedmr. Edwin and mr. Rajeev to please jointhe panelists for one group picture andI also request mr. Sanjay say to pleasehand over the moment of appreciation toour moderator but if you do[Applause]you
Thematic Track on Sustainable Buildings in India: Energy Efficiency, Resource Efficiency, Green Cooling and Green Design was held during WSDS 2019 on 11 February, 2019 in “Group A” at Jacaranda Hall, IHC, New Delhi.
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